One Tree Hill Tragedy

Creon: yes, it’s my wrong doing.
I know the joy they gave you all these years, the joy you must feel now.
(said when banish him from the city with his daughter)

I think this is tragic because Creon is banishing Oedipus from the city and he is letting him take his daughter with him and he has to be happy about that so he is not alone and so his daughter does not get tormented.

Have you ever seen the T.V show one tree hill? I have many times reading the quote I picked reminded me of an episode of one tree hill, were this kind was being teased and tormented because he expressed his feeling in a time capsule which they did for a class and some one released it, and he said some pretty harsh things but sadly it was the truth. But because some one relsaed it people wanted him to leave. He couldn’t take it any more so he shot up the school he later kills him self. This quote reminded me of him his name was jimmy,. If this quote was said for jimmy I think it would have instead of talking about being happy it would talk about sadness. but this quote could allso have the same mean but if kids were more nice to him and told him to leave the school in this case vs driving the kid to madness to later kill him left from the pain

Titanic

Oedipus to Tiresias "Yes, take him away. You're a nuisance here. Out of the way, the irritation's gone".

This quote shows Oedipus Ego. Basically he's mocking Tiresias because he's poor and hes just a pesk to him and if he's nobody to Oedipus then he should be nobody for everybody else just all the other poor people. It also seems from this quote that he just used him to take part of the irritation he had on him.

The movie Titanic and Oedipus are connected by both movie have to do with rich or poor society. In Titanic the rich people were the ones to get on the life boats first than anybody else. And Rose and Jack couldn't be together just because of their different class. Also in the movie Titanic you could tell the lower class people had more fun than the high class people did. In oedipus he came out of a rich family without knowing it because he was basically brought up by a lower class. He didn't have an Ego until he saved the town and got married to the Queen. Then he started to get the Ego. So the last thing both of Oedipus and Titanic high society got to see was people drowning, killing themselves because they weren't so important to live. And Oedipus last thing to see was the damage of his actions. so basically they should feel awful for their last view.

Spider Man

What the hell does Spiderman have to do with Oedipus? Well they both have the same mindset after they find out they family of theirs has been killed. The story of the deaths take a different rout, but the way the feeling that the lead roles have are the same.

In Spiderman Peter just got in to a fight with his grandfather before he left to go to a wrestling match. Now while he is inside his grandfather gets car jack and shot, and later dies. Peter starts to feel a scence of giult because of the fight that he and his grandfather just had.

This is similar in Oedipus when he finds ou that he killed his father and married his mother. he then pulled out his eye balls, which was stupid. But he also had a feeling of giult, just like Spiderman did. The only difference from the two was that Spiderman turned into somthing positive and Oedipus pulled his eyes out.

DONNIE DARKO

"Here I am myself-you all know me, the world knows my fame: I am Oedipus." What makes this story is the arrogance and ego of Oedipus, without that there likely wouldn't be a tragedy at all. If he was able to consider what Tiresias was saying and think about it then maybe things would have changed in his story. I'm connecting this play to a movie I really like called Donnie Darko. Much like Oedipus' ego, the main character Donnie is greatly effected by curiosity. Both of these two stories are very entertaining and enjoyable to watch because terrible things are happening to characters which is exciting, but it's not happening to us so we can just sit back and watch comfortably. I think that's what made tragedys so popular back in Ancient Greece, because people could forget about everything bad in their lives and turn their attention to an entertaining story. For Donnie Darko, I think that one reason the author chose a depressing ending over a nice one is because life isn't always happy, someone or somethings not always going to come out and make everything okay again.

4 Brothers

4 brothers is a good example of a tragedy because their mom dies and the 4 brothers want to get back at the people who kill their mom. The reason tragedy's are good movies are they are not about you, they make you think if it was to happen to you what would you do.

I think they are similar because one of the brothers has a really big ego and wont stop until they find the killer and Oedipus has a big ego too when the people of Thebes tell him that they need to find the killer of Laius he said he wont stop until they find him.

At the ending of 4 brothers the brothers find the killer and they pay his own men to kill him because of the oldest brothers ego and they want to make the killer pay for what he did to their mom. This quote is a reason why i think Oedipus is so tragic " the agony! I am agony- where am I going? where on earth? where does all this agony hurl me?" (on pg 319) the reason he is saying this is because he just found out thta he killed his dad and married his mom and his mom killed herself because of him.

Oedipus Blog Post #2: Tragedy

For your final post on Oedipus the King, focus on the topic of tragedy. Make a connection between what made tragedy enjoyable for audiences to read in Ancient Greece and a story/film/show that you would identify as a tragedy. Include the following in your post:

• Title your post with the tragedy story/film/show that you are connecting to Oedipus.
• Use a quote from Oedipus the King that you use to help explain, in your personal opinion, what makes the story tragic.
• Brief summary and explanation of connection between a tragedy story/film/show you have seen (see list below) and the story of Oedipus the King. What is similarly enjoyable about these two tragic stories? Why do you think the author chose a depressing ending instead of a hopeful or life-affirming one?
• In Oedipus, many believe either his Ego, the Prophecy, or his lack of (or choice not to exercise) Free Will, caused his tragic demise. What caused the tragic ending for the character(s) in the story/film/show you have chosen to write about?
• Write THREE comment responses to your classmates' posts. One of them may be in response to my vocab post, showing me you understand at least one of the vocab words. Don't forget to include your initials!

Possible Tragedy Films to Blog About: Donnie Darko, Schindler's List, Million Dollar Baby, Mystic River, United 93, Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, Titanic, Gladiator, The Reader, Reign Over Me, Requiem for a Dream, Philadelphia, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, American History X, American Beauty, A Simple Plan, Boys Don't Cry, The Patriot, Braveheart, Selena

Don't forget to include your initials in your post either! Put them in the 'Labels' section!

BELIEVE IN PROPHECY?

Prophecies, some people dont believe in them others do. I think that most choose to believe it if its a good thing if it isnt then they say that its not real that its made up. Like when Tiresias told Oedipus about his prophecy and that he had killed his father. Oedipus did not want to believe it so he told Tiresias "you,shameless- arent you appalled to start up such a story? you think you can get away with this?" pg 278 line 402

Another good example would be in this blog http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1611034.aspx Shes hoping it comes true but what if it had been bad would she had still believed in it?

Welcome to Prophecies

Tiresias: so, you mock my blindness? Let me tell you this. You with yout precious eyes, you're blind to the corruption of your life,to thr house you live in, those you live with -- who are you parent's? do you know? All unkowing you are the scourge of your own flesh and blood,the dead below the earth and the living here above, and the double lash of your mother and your father's curse.
Many people theses days belive and think they are like an oracle or can see the future, these can often be called prophecies. like I could say i feel a strong force of bad weather is coming.. you could choose to blive it or not, that could easlily become a Prophecy. like on this websit i found called http://www.prophecies.us/ people post things they think or feel because they think it will happen it could happen i am not saying that is could not happen but some of the things they say are a bit far fetch.

The prophecy of year 2012

The prophecy for 2012 tells that the world is going to end on dec, 2012. Half of the people of the world belives this and the other half thinks its just a mith because for years people were stating that the world is comeing to an end.
How do we know if this is the real time that its going to happen? In the book of oedipus the people of theibes are going against there town comeing to an end because of the black plaque. Also there is a main prophecy in the bool thats stated oedipus is going to marry his mother and kill his father, which has sadly came true but he doesnt know it yet.
so the orical tells him and he doesnt want to believe it at all then the orical said "i pity you, flinging at me the very isults each each man here will fling at you soon" tiresias p.278

Worried about Prophecies

The quote I picked out from the book goes like this. "I'd rather not casue pain for you or me. So why this... Useless interrogation? You'll get nothing from me." Tiresias says this, and it's somehow relevant with prophecy because he's the prophet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostradamus

There is a lot of speculation on what this Nostradamus guy supposedly predicted, from the 9-11 events to a bunch of other stuff. Personally I think that prophets just make general educated estimations on things to happen in the future based on what they see in the present, I don't think that its anything too crazy.

I think back in the day it was easy for people to buy into prophecies because maybe they were a lot more superstitious, and their strong belief in prophecy affected the way they lived their lives because they were constantly in a state of fear.

big time prophecies

"he vows to slef banished from the land nor stay to bring upon his house the curse him self had utterded but he has no strength nor one to guid him"

the proficies that i looked at online were about the end of the world and they stated that it is comming soon with all the signs on earth today because of all the bad things the human race is doing to eachother and to the earth.

2012?!?!?

Did you hear that the world is going to end in the year 2012? Well a lot of people think it is going to happen they even made a movie about it. Differences between the two are, in the play tiresas says that oedipus is going to kill his dad and marrie his mom, but in the 2012 one it just says the world is going to end.

People belived in these prophecys because they are able to see and hear what the gods tell them and what they do. "How terrible- to see the truth when the truth is the only pain to him who sees" said Tiresias (275) when he is talking to Oedipus about when he said he would kill his dad and marrie his mom.

Prophecyies in 2009

Like in the book, people now days have many prophecyies. In todays time we are constantly surounded by predictions, which play major roles in society. Back in the day owever they had Oricles to tell warn them.

In the book Oedipus finds out from a Oricle that he will, kill his Father and marry his mother. Oedipus does exactactly as the Oricle says he would. But are Opricles/Propheyies always right?

One example of a Prophey being wrong, would be Y2K.

Now people are all hyped up for a new Prophecy...2012. Many people are starting to think that the world will end on December 21, 2012. One reason people belive this is because the Myan calender (Picture up top) stops on the that day. I think they just got tired of making calenders. Will the earth end? who knows, we will just have to wait and find out...

Baba Vanga

"You cannot imagine... i tell you, you and your loved ones live together in infamy, you cannot see how far you've gone in guilt."

http://http://www.alamongordo.com/baba_vanga_prophecies.html

The Prophecy of Baba Vanga...

he had a vision or a prophecy that said this..

"Horror, Horror! The American Brethren will fall after being attacked by the steel birds. the wolves will be howling in a bush, and inoccent blood will be gushing."

On 9/11 or september 11, 2001 planes hit the world trade center... The prophecy was made in 1989.

Prophecies in the book are a little different than the ones i read about.. oedipus is more direct and an exact outcome other prophecies are more broad.. so like more ways to come true.. thats why i think people believe in prophecies because there so vague when they make them that when an event happens they can make that prophecy fit the event.

Prophecy

During this time I think Prophecies were easy to believe because they had nothing else to believe in besides the king and who was the king believing in at the time? Did they Believe in the Prophets"How terrible- to see the truth when the truth is inly pain to him who sees!"(Tiresias) or did they believe in there selfs like Oedipus does now? http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/prophchr.html#4zXfEF62FvK8 This is a Prophet that shows all his Prophecies he made and they show that they actually came true.

Oedipus Blog Post #1: Prophecy

For your first (of two) blog post on the story of Oedipus the King, focus on the topic of prophecies. Google the word and read about some prophecies either past or present, then construct your blog post following the instructions below. Make sure to include...

• Give your post a creative yet appropriate title!
• An important quote from the play thus far about prophecy (might be said by the blind prophet Tiresias, or could indeed be someone else).
• Information about a prophecy you read about online with a LINK to where you read about it. Who prophesized the event? What was it that they prophesized? Did it come true or do you think it will? How do you think people reacted to this prophecy (or do people still react to it)?
• What similarities and/or differences are there between the prophecy you researched and the ones decreed in the play? Similarities/differences between how people react to them?
• Why do you think people believed so much in prophecy during this time period? How did their strong belief in prophecy affect the ways they lived their lives?
• Add a comment to the Oedipus Vocab post using a sentence of your own creation about the play, showing me you understand the meaning of the word.

Don't forge to include your initials in the "Labels" section of your post!

Oedipus Vocab

For your comments points, post a comment to this blog post correctly using one of the vocab words from Oedipus below in a sentence of your own about the plot and/or characters of the play. Do not use the same sentence (or idea for a sentence) already posted by a classmate! Be sure to include your initials!

Despondent (p. 262) = sad or depressed

Mantic (p. 275) = prophetic; able to tell the future

Revile (p. 276) = to abuse verbally; criticize harshly

Gall (p. 285) = rude boldness

Marauding (p. 285) = roaming in search of treasure/money

Sanctimonius (p. 286) = being hypocritically religious or pious

Clairvoyant (p. 288) = person who can see the future

Concessions (p. 289) = favors

Spurned (p. 296) = rejected

Surmise (p. 288) = a conclusion based on little evidence; a guess

act 1 scene 1

HORATIO So have I heard and do in part believe it.But, look, the morn, in russet mantle clad,Walks o'er the dew of yon high eastward hill:Break we our watch up; and by my advice,Let us impart what we have seen to-nightUnto young Hamlet; for, upon my life,This spirit, dumb to us, will speak to him.Do you consent we shall acquaint him with it,As needful in our loves, fitting our duty
horatio is a friend of hamlet. hamlet looks up to him even wants to be like him in some ways. i believe horatio would even die for hamlet due to to horatios stong like of hamlet this qutoe see that he sides with hamlet on most everything. due to this they belive in the ghost of hamles father.

***Insane was he***

I believe Hamlet was not insane but slowly became insane thought out the book. Like in the beginning of the book hamlet seemed normal. Than the death of his father took it a step farther, since the death of his father was such a mystery he began to slowly grow insane. As he is digging for answer to his father’s death he finds out some interesting things due to his findings he comes Tenable. I believe he went insane at the end of the book.


HAMLET O, I die, Horatio;The potent poison quite o'er-crows my spirit:I cannot live to hear the news from England;But I do prophesy the election lightsOn Fortinbras: he has my dying voice;So tell him, with the occurrents, more and less,Which have solicited. The rest is silence.

If you lost a loved on don’t you think I u would go a bit insane?


If you lost a loved which the death became a mystery would you search for the answers even if you knew it might drive you nuts?

*InSanity*

Throughout the book I coted Hamlet becoming insane. At firt he seemed kind of angry with his dad's death and never really cared about the king's position. Soon after when the guards mentioned the ghost being maybe his dad.... After knowing that the ghost was his dad and that it came to tell Hamlet the truth about his death, about being killed by king Claudis, his own brother. Little by little Hamlet became this angry man, with the only thing in his head was, REVENGE for his fathers death....

Horatio: "Now cracks a noble heart. Good night, sweet prince, And filghts of angels sing thee to thy rest." ( act.5 sc.2, 397)

Horatio being his best friend was the one only at the end that could judge Hamlet's actions. Hamlet was only able to trust him at the end and to his own death. He was the only one that saw in Hamlets heart, and thought that what he did was right...

crazy sonofab**** :)

I believe Hamlet went crazy somewhere in the begining of the play. He starts talking to himself and acting all out of the ordinary. Becuase he knows what happened to his dad and who did it he feels this need to kill the king and it's driving him crazy that his mom is married to him, that she acts like his father's death didn't really matter, and that he knows who killed his dad and he isn't dead himself.

Hamlets "transformation" relates to revenge, insanity, and broken families.
Revenge: He is plotting to kill the king because he know he killed his father and how he did it.
Insanity: Him knowing all of this information and not really being able to tell anybody or act upon it right away is to much for him and it's building up inside and making him go crazy.
Broken Families: His mom married his uncle as soon as his father was killed and nobody is really acknowledging the fact that the real king is dead. And because his mom married his uncle Hamlet is starting to act distant towards his mom.

"Why, what an ass am I! This most brave,
That I, the son of a dear father murdered,
Prompted to my revenge by heaven and hell,
Must, like a whore, unpack my heart with words
And fall a-cursing like a very drab,"
(2.2.611-615)

Final Hamlet

I don't think Hamlet went crazy I think Hamlet was crazy from the start but there was somethings that pushed Hamlets crazy out near the end of the play. How he changed during the play is he could not kill people or get his revenge until he met up with Fortinbras, when his dad died Hamlet wanted to get revenge but he was to much of a kid to go kill him so he wrote a play to try to frame the new king of killing his dad.

I think the theme of the play is revenge because Hamlet try's to get revenge through the hole play, Fortinbras is going to Poland to get revenge, Laertes try's to get revenge on the king when he gets back and then on Hamlet too, the ghost tells Hamlet to get revenge for his death.

Hamlet: "here, thou incestuous, (murd'rous,) damned Dane, Drink off the potion. Is (thy union,) here?" (act 5 sc. 2 pg. 281) he says that to the king right before he makes him drink the poison .

Was hamelt insane???

i don't think Hamlet wasn't insane at all. He just had some family problems, he just dealt with them in different ways. A lot of people thought Hamlet was crazy because he was pretty much killing every one that had been forced on him by the new king. Hamlet really only wanted to kill the king to get revenge for his father. Insane can mean a lot of things in so many ways, it can mean being mentally ill or can mean strong and powerful. "Your grace has laid the odds thy weaker side" (sir Hamelt)

WAS HAMLETCRAZY?

Do i think Hamlet was crazy in the book? thats a hard qusetion because you would have to explain what crazy would be in sertain situations in the book. You would have to be in the persons shoes in order to to understand what was going through his mind at the time when he was making these choices.

One example of Hmlet going crazy might be when he talked to himself. In some parts of the book Hamet would go on little rants to himself. But to some people this may seem normal. If you ask me, i think he is more then crazy.

An example of him not being crazy would have been when, he rewote the letter so that he was not executed. that was one of the high points of the book for me. i thought that it was smart thinking. This would be a part were he did not seem to be crazy

Is he crazy?

I believe Hamlet did not go crazy in the play, He was just Drossy about what to do in the situation he was put in by his Uncle (the King). I think he change throughout the play because at first he did not know what to do. Then later on when he meets Fortinbras he knew what he had to do. "we gain a little patch of ground That hath in it no profit but the name" (Captain 4.4.19-20) . He started to believe that he was able to do what he wanted, Revenge for his father Death and make it so when he dies, he dies in peace.

WAS HAMLETCRAZY?

Hamlet Crazy?

I dont think Hamlet went crazy... i think he just got caught up in his own feelings. He was so focused on getting revenge that in his mind anything he did was justified by the fact that he was getting the people that did him wrong. Throughout the play he started changing into more of a heartless man because he started to realize how messed up everything was.

His family was totally broken up his father died, his mother married his uncle making him the king. If that wasn't enough he found out that his father was murdered by his uncle, information that was kept tenable by his mother.

"O, from this time forth my thoughts be bloody or be nothing worth!"

(4.5.68 hamlet)

Final Hamlet Blog Post: Insanity

For your final Hamlet blog post, include the following:

• Explain whether or not you think Hamlet went insane at any point during the play (or was insane throughout). If you believe he did not go crazy, how DID he change throughout the play?
  

• Regardless of your answer, also offer your opinion as to what connection Hamlet's transformation has to another theme of the play (see below).
  

• Include a quote from Hamlet that sums up his transformation, in your opinion. (Include Act.Scene.Line in parentheses.)

• Use one of the Hamlet vocab words below either in your blog post (bold it please) or in one of your 3 comments after you publish your post. You may post a comment here using one of the words in a sentence that shows me you understand its meaning.

Hamlet Themes:

Ghosts, Broken Families, Revenge, Power/Corruption, and Insanity

Hamlet Vocab:

Vailed = Lowered ("With vailed eyes, I contemplated my fate.")
Pregnant = Full of meaning ("Your words are pregnant with thoughtfulness."
Coted = Observed ("I had coted him whilst on our way to England."
Ostentation = Ceremony ("We had no formal ostentation after his death.")
Pall = Lose strength ("When our plans do pall, failure will soon come.")
Arras = Curtain ("I will hide behind the arras.")
Woodcock = A proverbially stupid bird ("Why would a woodcock such as you come to me?")
Tenable = Withheld; secret ("Continue being silent. We must keep this tenable.")
Drossy = Worthless ("Thou are a drossy fool.")
Incorporal = Immaterial; unimportant ("You hold an incorporal air about you.")